Gisborne Public Meeting 09 October 2003
Gisborne Cosmopolitan Club, 190 Derby Street
7pm to 9pm
50 Attended
Commentary
· Where you have a boundary that is likely to move, what is the situation if there is a building in the way when the river moves?
- Who has right of way here?
- Are there any precedents?
· Please explain `embrace the ethos of the Queen's Chain'.
· Wasn't the Queen's Chain originally set up for transportation?
· Did the Group find that the myth of the Queen's Chain is widely held and a source of comfort to New Zealanders?
· Confusion - you are trying to interpret a 19th century edict with a 21st century requirement.
· What are you saying when you refer to `reduction of traditional access opportunities'?
· Are people confusing a privilege with a right?
· Concerned about what will happen after consultation, have concluded that you are going to create a new agency.
· We seem to be steering towards a long-term negotiated/compensated solution.
· Farmers here are against the right to roam.
· Most people understand that major rivers have access obligations.
- How do you define the size of waterways?
- Can we take it that a waterway would have to lead somewhere?
· The RMA interpretation does not provide surety, refers to 3 metre banks in flood.
· Federated Mountain Clubs does not want to wander at will, PANZ likewise.
- Happy with negotiation.
· There is so much confusion on where the Queen's Chain is and isn't, so are you going to clearly identify where it actually is?
- Will it be mapped and signposted?
· Is it correct that the majority of Maori land does not have the Queen's Chain attached?
· Concerned about AMF rights.
· Can you get river access without the Queen's Chain?
· The Queen's Chain is a myth embodied by Kiwis.
- Part of being a Kiwi is that we do not have to pay to go to a river and fish or to go to the beach.
· Hope that codes of conduct will be enforced by legislation.
- If creating rights on one hand, people should have the right to enforce certain behaviours.
· Do not like `defined responsibilities' under a code of conduct.
- It needs to be stronger.
· Just as a landowner can be penalised for denying access, it should cut both ways.
· Have you had any submissions from tourists?
- Foreigners can turn up on the land and they may have no clue.
- This could potentially become a bigger problem.
· It is crazy to form policy ideas when people are not sure about what the access situation is.
- Need better information on what can be accessed and what not.
- The system is working at the moment, based on goodwill.
· LINZ was great for sorting the problem of mapping out, but now it is gone.
- There is a charge to do it through council surveyors.
- Is LINZ listening or ignoring the problems?
- This is government information, so it should be provided by the Government.
· Crown land now with marginal strips is not being shown on maps.
· The access issue has been downgraded.
· What is a priority?
- Puzzled, cannot see where problems are.
- It is variable.
· Surely people should have a right to say who is on their property?
· Would the access be fenced, posted or signed?
· Will you be paying compensation in return for land?
· There will not be a requirement for blanket access to streams?
· Problem with strangers on land, want to be compensated.
· The user pays for access.
· Need to put walkways in for easier access where access exists.
· Would you have to negotiate around a gorge that you cannot get access to?
· Have you looked at esplanade reserves on the foreshore?
· Pressure for recreation is increasing.
· Simple access to information is the main point.
· Discussion around the backcountry and its rives.
- Point made that the landowner has rights.
- A good host, but it is different when a mess is left.
- Increasing pressure on areas.
- The days are long gone when there were one or two anglers on the river.
· Ideally access would be marked on a topography map, so people would not have to go back again.
· There is diminished accessibility to rivers for anglers.
- Concerned about exclusive capture.
- Land is being maintained for overseas investors.
- Reference to Geoffrey Palmer's bill to close the access loophole.
- Land he used to guide 20 years ago, he now cannot get into.
- Look at payment for access.
- What is the Group doing on the Mohaka River issue?
· Would money go to landowners or operators?
· Does land ownership extend to trout or is it regarded as a public resource?
· Part of the experience is the way of getting to the land and if there are several ways.
· Open the Queen's Chain to all waterways.
- Federated Farmers is opposed to the Queen's Chain on all waterways.
- Throw out the Trespass Act.
- If people cannot cross land, they will walk up the river.
- Getting to public land is a key issue.
· There could be a problem that an enshrined right to access will push confrontation where there is currently none.
- Alienation could occur.
Contact for Enquiries
Rural Affairs Coordinator
Sector Performance Policy
MAF Policy
Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry
PO Box 2526
Wellington
NEW ZEALAND
Phone: +64 4 894 0675
Fax: +64 4 4 894 0745
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